Comments on: Fasted Workouts and Fasted Cardio vs EPOC – For Fat Loss http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/ Fitness Tips To Get Lean and Toned, Not Bulky! Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:49:44 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: nicole http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-2/#comment-340919 nicole Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:04:09 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-340919 Hey rusty, so more to clarify than anything. i instruct back to back spin classes from 5-7pm on a wed night. that day on waking i do 1,000 skips, then 1/2hr pilates before eating half a cup of oatmeal with 1 scoop protein powder (1/3 serve-30 cals) if i then go 5 hours and eat a 180cal protein bar or 85g tin tuna and some baby greens for lunch will i be ok to be up the front of 40people whilst doing so much high intensity cardio without crashing and burning? typical diet at the moment never goes over 1000 cals so i don't have that many stores so will prob be reasonably depleted of glycogen.mentally i can do it tho so is the slight calorie decrease in performance worth it for the pay off of cardio in a fasting state? thanks so very much! Nic Hey rusty,
so more to clarify than anything. i instruct back to back spin classes from 5-7pm on a wed night.
that day on waking i do 1,000 skips, then 1/2hr pilates before eating half a cup of oatmeal with 1 scoop protein powder (1/3 serve-30 cals) if i then go 5 hours and eat a 180cal protein bar or 85g tin tuna and some baby greens for lunch will i be ok to be up the front of 40people whilst doing so much high intensity cardio without crashing and burning? typical diet at the moment never goes over 1000 cals so i don't have that many stores so will prob be reasonably depleted of glycogen.mentally i can do it tho so is the slight calorie decrease in performance worth it for the pay off of cardio in a fasting state?
thanks so very much!
Nic

]]> By: Fitness – Burn Fat – Build Muscle » Fasted Cardio http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-2/#comment-316506 Fitness – Burn Fat – Build Muscle » Fasted Cardio Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:22:45 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-316506 [...] FitnessBlackBook – Fasted Workouts [...] [...] FitnessBlackBook – Fasted Workouts [...]

]]> By: alex silva http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-2/#comment-310905 alex silva Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:28:00 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-310905 First, I'm not against fasting (if done correctly) since I do it (on controlled "environment", in the morning and low intensity/not more than 2hrs). But a lot of what it is said here in favor of feasting is not accurate. Very careful with fast training. If your goal is to loose fat, that could work but remember one of the biggest truths in fitness/nutrition: the fat burns in the carb's pyre, i.e. if you don't have enough carb's your body won't have energy to lipolysis (turn fat into nrg). Also, if you don't eat, your l-carnitine levels are low and fat won't be carried into the cells to be turned into nrg (you can always take l-carnitine as suplement). When you work out fasting, after 30 or 45 minutes (depending on the individual and/or the workout) your muscular glycogen ends and your body will use fat (on low intensity workout, aerobic) but also protein as an nrg source, i.e. will start a catabolic process. You can see the dilema/irony here: you build up some muscles but others are being destroyed to feed them... you can work out fasting but not for a long period/high intensity or your output will decrease and acidosis will occur, leading to cramps and other (more) serious fx. A single fasting workout can't produce two results (fat burn and lean muscle gain). Talk with someone credited, even better if it's someone working with athletes. If you feel sick eating before workout, take 1 or 2 pcs of fruit one hour before - no burp or throwing guaranteed First, I'm not against fasting (if done correctly) since I do it (on controlled "environment", in the morning and low intensity/not more than 2hrs). But a lot of what it is said here in favor of feasting is not accurate. Very careful with fast training. If your goal is to loose fat, that could work but remember one of the biggest truths in fitness/nutrition: the fat burns in the carb's pyre, i.e. if you don't have enough carb's your body won't have energy to lipolysis (turn fat into nrg). Also, if you don't eat, your l-carnitine levels are low and fat won't be carried into the cells to be turned into nrg (you can always take l-carnitine as suplement).
When you work out fasting, after 30 or 45 minutes (depending on the individual and/or the workout) your muscular glycogen ends and your body will use fat (on low intensity workout, aerobic) but also protein as an nrg source, i.e. will start a catabolic process. You can see the dilema/irony here: you build up some muscles but others are being destroyed to feed them…
you can work out fasting but not for a long period/high intensity or your output will decrease and acidosis will occur, leading to cramps and other (more) serious fx. A single fasting workout can't produce two results (fat burn and lean muscle gain). Talk with someone credited, even better if it's someone working with athletes. If you feel sick eating before workout, take 1 or 2 pcs of fruit one hour before – no burp or throwing guaranteed

]]> By: Rafi Bar-Lev http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-2/#comment-292966 Rafi Bar-Lev Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:52:58 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-292966 Rusty, Do you think the fasted state "boost" you're talking about here is because when in a fasted state, our bodies are programmed to give that extra boost so we can acquire food for ourselves? That's the first thing that came to my mind when I thought about why we would have energy despite fasting. Great post! -Rafi Rusty,

Do you think the fasted state "boost" you're talking about here is because when in a fasted state, our bodies are programmed to give that extra boost so we can acquire food for ourselves? That's the first thing that came to my mind when I thought about why we would have energy despite fasting.

Great post!

-Rafi

]]> By: Boss Lady http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-2/#comment-204655 Boss Lady Wed, 27 May 2009 23:30:24 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-204655 Can I fast for 3 days and workout at the same time? Can I fast for 3 days and workout at the same time?

]]> By: Johny http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-2/#comment-168713 Johny Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:06:15 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-168713 Will this fasting technique work with a swimming workout? Will this fasting technique work with a swimming workout?

]]> By: Emma http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-2/#comment-159739 Emma Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:32:58 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-159739 Wow, its so good to finally see someone writing about this! This is what I have been following, but I always felt kind of guilty, like I was doing something wrong whenever I exercised in a fasted state. Society drills in our heads that we need to eat before we exercise, but I always felt that my workouts were much more intense and enjoyable in a fasted state, and now I know why! Thanks for writing about this! I also had a question about pure brown rice protein powder. Is it a good protein source? I am vegan, so I am looking for something that can give me protein without giving me any carbs or fat. I am allergic to soy, so I can't have any soy-based stuff. Thanks for any help you can give me regarding this! Wow, its so good to finally see someone writing about this! This is what I have been following, but I always felt kind of guilty, like I was doing something wrong whenever I exercised in a fasted state. Society drills in our heads that we need to eat before we exercise, but I always felt that my workouts were much more intense and enjoyable in a fasted state, and now I know why! Thanks for writing about this! I also had a question about pure brown rice protein powder. Is it a good protein source? I am vegan, so I am looking for something that can give me protein without giving me any carbs or fat. I am allergic to soy, so I can't have any soy-based stuff.

Thanks for any help you can give me regarding this!

]]> By: admin http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-2/#comment-152532 admin Sat, 28 Feb 2009 03:30:01 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-152532 <b>Cartz,</b> I still think you should go in fasted if it doesn't bother you too much, just increase you caloric intake a bit the rest of the time to insure you aren't too skinny. <b>Dennis,</b> Comments like yours are the "true gold" in this site! I love it when people add in great content into the comment section. I can't encourage this enough. I am going to dig in to your site, because I can tell you really dig in to the subject. Great Comments! Rusty Cartz,

I still think you should go in fasted if it doesn't bother you too much, just increase you caloric intake a bit the rest of the time to insure you aren't too skinny.

Dennis,

Comments like yours are the "true gold" in this site! I love it when people add in great content into the comment section. I can't encourage this enough. I am going to dig in to your site, because I can tell you really dig in to the subject.

Great Comments!

Rusty

]]> By: Dennis http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-2/#comment-151130 Dennis Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:48:21 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-151130 Dr. Ronald Klatz' book, Growing Young with HGH, presents three graphs (p. 230) showing the relationships among blood glucose, plasma insulin, and plasma HGH. This is of particular interest to me because I am old enough to be very low in HGH and yet not accepting Mother Nature's prescription for my age-related demise. I believe this information is of value to readers here, regardless of age. The research the Klatz cites was published in 1963. It describes a three stage feast-fast cycle with every meal. In the first stage, within the first hour after eating, blood sugar rises and insulin is released, which encourages the storage of excess carbs and fat. After the second hour (stage 2), GH is released and the levels of insulin and blood sugar start to fall. At this stage, GH acts to build up muscle protein, which is enhanced by insulin. In stage 3, more than 4 hours after eating (i.e., the fasting stage), GH levels remain high as insulin almost disappears. Stage 3 is when GH acts solely to mobilize the body's fat stores for burning as fuel. Fast forward to the present. An epub ahead of print, in the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research, shows the effects of fasting on several performance categories in cyclists. To quote some of the main results, "The cyclists' PWR (power to weight ratio) and body composition improved significantly, and their overall weight, fat weight, and body fat percentage decreased. Lean mass was maintained." Furthermore, "Caloric restriction (up to 40% for 3 weeks) and exercising after fasting overnight can improve a cyclist's PWR without compromising endurance cycling performance." I think this is pretty cool stuff that lends scientific credence to Rusty's approach. These are just a couple of the items that I wanted to call to your attention. There is a LOT more to learn from scientific research on this subject. Indeed, a PubMed search today came up with 2,722 research references on "exercise AND fasting." Whew! Dr. Ronald Klatz' book, Growing Young with HGH, presents three graphs (p. 230) showing the relationships among blood glucose, plasma insulin, and plasma HGH. This is of particular interest to me because I am old enough to be very low in HGH and yet not accepting Mother Nature's prescription for my age-related demise. I believe this information is of value to readers here, regardless of age. The research the Klatz cites was published in 1963. It describes a three stage feast-fast cycle with every meal. In the first stage, within the first hour after eating, blood sugar rises and insulin is released, which encourages the storage of excess carbs and fat. After the second hour (stage 2), GH is released and the levels of insulin and blood sugar start to fall. At this stage, GH acts to build up muscle protein, which is enhanced by insulin. In stage 3, more than 4 hours after eating (i.e., the fasting stage), GH levels remain high as insulin almost disappears. Stage 3 is when GH acts solely to mobilize the body's fat stores for burning as fuel.
Fast forward to the present. An epub ahead of print, in the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research, shows the effects of fasting on several performance categories in cyclists. To quote some of the main results, "The cyclists' PWR (power to weight ratio) and body composition improved significantly, and their overall weight, fat weight, and body fat percentage decreased. Lean mass was maintained." Furthermore, "Caloric restriction (up to 40% for 3 weeks) and exercising after fasting overnight can improve a cyclist's PWR without compromising endurance cycling performance."
I think this is pretty cool stuff that lends scientific credence to Rusty's approach. These are just a couple of the items that I wanted to call to your attention. There is a LOT more to learn from scientific research on this subject. Indeed, a PubMed search today came up with 2,722 research references on "exercise AND fasting." Whew!

]]> By: CaRtz http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-2/#comment-150079 CaRtz Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:53:27 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-150079 so that's why! =) Last question on this topic, Rusty: I don't need to lose weight since I'm already thin (thanks to your guidance and all that cardio last year), do I still need to go to the gym on an empty stomache or am I allowed to eat 2-3 hours before? I did some back-reading in this site and I've learned that I can drink a protein shake before working out, is that the only thing I can take in? I just don't want to be too thin and look like an anorexic. Lol. Thanks again for all your help! CaRtz so that's why! =)

Last question on this topic, Rusty: I don't need to lose weight since I'm already thin (thanks to your guidance and all that cardio last year), do I still need to go to the gym on an empty stomache or am I allowed to eat 2-3 hours before? I did some back-reading in this site and I've learned that I can drink a protein shake before working out, is that the only thing I can take in?

I just don't want to be too thin and look like an anorexic. Lol.

Thanks again for all your help!

CaRtz

]]> By: admin http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-2/#comment-149028 admin Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:18:38 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-149028 <strong>Ted,</strong> There are simple carb strategies that work well...mainly this...eat the majority of your daily carbs 1-2 hours after your workout and go low carb the rest of the day (this is when you are tying to get extra lean). I wouldn't drink gatorade or go out of your way to add in any extra carbs with your protein. Just drink the normal amount of carbs that the shake has. <strong>Roy,</strong> Yep...it is that cookie that you are eating. If I burb while doing cardio, it is a sure sign that I have food lingering in my stomach and I ate too close to workout time. Rusty Ted,

There are simple carb strategies that work well…mainly this…eat the majority of your daily carbs 1-2 hours after your workout and go low carb the rest of the day (this is when you are tying to get extra lean). I wouldn't drink gatorade or go out of your way to add in any extra carbs with your protein. Just drink the normal amount of carbs that the shake has.

Roy,

Yep…it is that cookie that you are eating. If I burb while doing cardio, it is a sure sign that I have food lingering in my stomach and I ate too close to workout time.

Rusty

]]> By: CaRtz http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-2/#comment-148697 CaRtz Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:37:31 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-148697 Hi Rusty/Everyone, I'm trying to follow the fasted state approach before hitting the gym but there are times where I burp while doing cardio. Why is that? Is it because I sometimes eat a cookie before working out? =) Thanks in advance to whoever can answer. -Roy Hi Rusty/Everyone,

I'm trying to follow the fasted state approach before hitting the gym but there are times where I burp while doing cardio. Why is that? Is it because I sometimes eat a cookie before working out? =)

Thanks in advance to whoever can answer.

-Roy

]]> By: Ted http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-2/#comment-148272 Ted Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:18:44 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-148272 I read in Men's Health that eating carbs after 6/7:00 p.m. makes them turn into fat. If I'm fasting during the day as you recommend, then why don't the carbs I eat at night on carb days turn into fat? Or do they? I'm getting more defined pretty rapidly, but I'm wondering if there's a better way to distribute my carb calories on my carb days? Note: I do HIIT 4x per week, steady state 2x per day for 30 minutes, and I lift weights 5x per week. I alternate 2 days high protein/fat and 1 day high protein/carbs. Also, are there times of the day when different types of carbs are better than others? Also (sorry for so many questions) I heard that if I drink my post-lifting protein shake along with gatorade or fruit juice, the protein gets to the muscles faster and builds them faster. (I am trying to gain a LITTLE muscle--5 lbs or so. I'm 6'2", 184 lbs, 12% bodyfat. Thanks Rusty! Your blog is a great resource and so much easier to follow than any of the other sources. I personally only enjoy eating if I get to eat as much as I want (which is a lot) and eating 6 small meals per day is absolutely miserable for me. I used to get hungry during the day...but I realize now that that was because I ate breakfast! My body doesn't need that. I have a few veggies, nuts and fruits throughout the day if i get REALLY hungry, but usually there's no issue. I feast at night! Lost 4 lbs in 2 weeks. :) Keep writing! I read in Men's Health that eating carbs after 6/7:00 p.m. makes them turn into fat. If I'm fasting during the day as you recommend, then why don't the carbs I eat at night on carb days turn into fat? Or do they? I'm getting more defined pretty rapidly, but I'm wondering if there's a better way to distribute my carb calories on my carb days?

Note: I do HIIT 4x per week, steady state 2x per day for 30 minutes, and I lift weights 5x per week. I alternate 2 days high protein/fat and 1 day high protein/carbs.

Also, are there times of the day when different types of carbs are better than others?

Also (sorry for so many questions) I heard that if I drink my post-lifting protein shake along with gatorade or fruit juice, the protein gets to the muscles faster and builds them faster. (I am trying to gain a LITTLE muscle–5 lbs or so. I'm 6'2", 184 lbs, 12% bodyfat.

Thanks Rusty!
Your blog is a great resource and so much easier to follow than any of the other sources. I personally only enjoy eating if I get to eat as much as I want (which is a lot) and eating 6 small meals per day is absolutely miserable for me. I used to get hungry during the day…but I realize now that that was because I ate breakfast! My body doesn't need that. I have a few veggies, nuts and fruits throughout the day if i get REALLY hungry, but usually there's no issue. I feast at night! Lost 4 lbs in 2 weeks. :)
Keep writing!

]]> By: Brian Dickey a.k.a. The low carb junkie http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-139119 Brian Dickey a.k.a. The low carb junkie Mon, 09 Feb 2009 07:16:17 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-139119 Great article, I've dropped weight for years by doing my cardio on an empty stomach. It just always seemed to make sense to me. Not to mention the whole burping your food up while workout. But usually I eat something lite right before I hit the weights both methods seem to work well for me. Thanks again and nervous system pic is cool. Great article, I've dropped weight for years by doing my cardio on an empty stomach. It just always seemed to make sense to me. Not to mention the whole burping your food up while workout. But usually I eat something lite right before I hit the weights both methods seem to work well for me. Thanks again and nervous system pic is cool.

]]> By: Jimmy http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-136845 Jimmy Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:01:12 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-136845 hi i'm male 5'8 149 pound i was wondering if you guys have any ideas of how i can lose the fat below my belly button. hi i'm male 5'8 149 pound i was wondering if you guys have any ideas of how i can lose the fat below my belly button.

]]> By: The Spaniard http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-135554 The Spaniard Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:34:04 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-135554 Son of Grok It is more expensive, but if you plan your trip ahead of time and do your homework right, it can be less expensive. I know that for Rusty getting a ticket all the way from California has to be a pain in the ass, but you have to figure out when is the best time to go. Once in Spain, it's not that expensive. You don't need a car to move around and if you want to save good money all you have to do is get the train pass and you can go anywhere in Spain. Just one thing. People have the tendency to just visit Barcelona. It is a great city, but if you really want to enjoy the trip, you have to visit Madrid, the south (Sevilla or Granada) and very especialy San Sebastian. It is the most beautiful city in Spain, the food is to die for (Tapas and Pintxos were invented here) and if you like surfing it is one of the two places to go with Zarautz (just around the corner). Son of Grok
It is more expensive, but if you plan your trip ahead of time and do your homework right, it can be less expensive. I know that for Rusty getting a ticket all the way from California has to be a pain in the ass, but you have to figure out when is the best time to go. Once in Spain, it's not that expensive. You don't need a car to move around and if you want to save good money all you have to do is get the train pass and you can go anywhere in Spain. Just one thing. People have the tendency to just visit Barcelona. It is a great city, but if you really want to enjoy the trip, you have to visit Madrid, the south (Sevilla or Granada) and very especialy San Sebastian. It is the most beautiful city in Spain, the food is to die for (Tapas and Pintxos were invented here) and if you like surfing it is one of the two places to go with Zarautz (just around the corner).

]]> By: eric http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-135086 eric Wed, 04 Feb 2009 21:18:30 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-135086 hey rusty, what would you recommend me? i have lost a rather big amounts of muscle due to not performing enough resistance training while fasting. (i know it IS an important part of ESE to workout). now i make a commitment to work out at least two times a week. hey rusty,
what would you recommend me? i have lost a rather big amounts of muscle due to not performing enough resistance training while fasting. (i know it IS an important part of ESE to workout). now i make a commitment to work out at least two times a week.

]]> By: Son of Grok http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-134311 Son of Grok Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:56:16 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-134311 Spaniard, I can answer that one for you. mexico is closer and costs less to go to. I would love to go to spain but it is SO much more expensive. The SoG Spaniard,
I can answer that one for you. mexico is closer and costs less to go to. I would love to go to spain but it is SO much more expensive.

The SoG

]]> By: The Spaniard http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-134262 The Spaniard Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:07:02 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-134262 Rusty, sorry but I have to argue the response you gave to Zack regarding mid day siestas in some parts of Europe. The only place in Europe where siestas are famous is in my country, Spain, and in a way, it is a myth. Unfortunately, my country has weird hours when it comes to work. 1) Offices open from 8a or 9a till 8p, with a two hour lunch in between. Nobody takes a siesta here because you can't go home. It's just that we don't eat in half an hour..we enjoy our meals without getting fat. 2) Stores can open from 9a to 1p and then from 4p to 8p (4 hours break in between) or from 10a to 2p and then from 4p to 8p. Now there are two reasons for this. During lunch nobody is going to buy anything, so you just close and enjoy your lunch. Also, small business owners in big cities have a hard time with taxes, which means you cannot hire people to help you in your store. Solution? You close those two hours instead of having to pay someone to keep the store opened when you know people are having lunch. But I can tell you that basically no one is taking a siesta, unless you are retired. In the States the also have this idea about us because of Mexico and the tendency americans have to mistake Spain with Mexico. By the way, when are you going to stop spending your vacations in Mexico (especialy in Cancun where you find the same bars you have in the States) and decide to visit Spain? You would love it there. Rusty, sorry but I have to argue the response you gave to Zack regarding mid day siestas in some parts of Europe. The only place in Europe where siestas are famous is in my country, Spain, and in a way, it is a myth. Unfortunately, my country has weird hours when it comes to work. 1) Offices open from 8a or 9a till 8p, with a two hour lunch in between. Nobody takes a siesta here because you can't go home. It's just that we don't eat in half an hour..we enjoy our meals without getting fat. 2) Stores can open from 9a to 1p and then from 4p to 8p (4 hours break in between) or from 10a to 2p and then from 4p to 8p. Now there are two reasons for this. During lunch nobody is going to buy anything, so you just close and enjoy your lunch. Also, small business owners in big cities have a hard time with taxes, which means you cannot hire people to help you in your store. Solution? You close those two hours instead of having to pay someone to keep the store opened when you know people are having lunch. But I can tell you that basically no one is taking a siesta, unless you are retired. In the States the also have this idea about us because of Mexico and the tendency americans have to mistake Spain with Mexico. By the way, when are you going to stop spending your vacations in Mexico (especialy in Cancun where you find the same bars you have in the States) and decide to visit Spain? You would love it there.

]]> By: Jenny http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/comment-page-1/#comment-134202 Jenny Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:26:42 +0000 http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/fasted-workouts-and-fasted-cardio-vs-epoc-for-fat-loss/#comment-134202 I went to the gym today with only having eaten a small handful of nuts and fruit about 3h before, popped 2 caffeine pills (cant drink coffee to save my life) and then did the suggested workout I found under the Low Fat Body Cardio link and I feel great!! I came home and had some nice fast carbs (grapes) and then went on to another Rusty recommended thing a salad with grilled chicken for lunch! =) Thank you so much for taking the time to write this Rusty! You have changed how I look at so many things and soon I will look absolutely fantastic and hot, I will make you proud and then refer anyone who asks how I did it here =) I'm finally getting there! I went to the gym today with only having eaten a small handful of nuts and fruit about 3h before, popped 2 caffeine pills (cant drink coffee to save my life) and then did the suggested workout I found under the Low Fat Body Cardio link and I feel great!!
I came home and had some nice fast carbs (grapes) and then went on to another Rusty recommended thing a salad with grilled chicken for lunch! =)
Thank you so much for taking the time to write this Rusty! You have changed how I look at so many things and soon I will look absolutely fantastic and hot, I will make you proud and then refer anyone who asks how I did it here =) I'm finally getting there!

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