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  1. Brandic2020
    November 18, 2011

    Only meat contains several amino acids like taurine, creatine, and carnitine that can only be found in meat. The body can produce them, but at small amounts. Meat also contains the DHA and EPA forms of omega-3, while plants only contain the ALA form. The body can convert ALA into DHA and EPA, but at inadequate amounts.

    The studies that show how protein supposedly causes osteoporosis was done using isolated amino acids and fractionated protein powders rather than consuming protein from the meat as a whole. When meat is consumed as a whole, it has cholecalciferol and retinol which prevents the protein from disturbing the body’s biochemistry, which would also prevent the supposed mineral loss.

    The reason why cows or chickens can get all the amino acids from only eating plants is because they are HERBIVORES. Humans are OMNIVORES. Herbivores have a digestive system that can harbor certain bacteria than ferment certain plant materials like cellulose which humans CANNOT digest. As a result of this fermentation, all the amino acids, essential fatty acids, and vitamins are a by-product of the bacteria, which allows the cows and chickens to get the essential nutrients they need. Because humans cannot do this, we must naturally like other omnivores, eat herbivores to obtain all the nutrients that we cannot obtain just by eating plants.

    Carbohydrates are the cause of cardiovascular disease, not cholesterol or saturated fat.

  2. Peter
    December 11, 2011

    This article is the product of Mark Sisson’s cowardice.

    Here, Mark Sisson is comparing himself who is a fit athlete to vegans that do not do much exercise. Of course it’s going to make him look better than vegans because he is only comparing the worst of vegans to the best of meat-eaters.

    If you want an accurate comparison, you should compare people Robert Cheeke or Ed Bauer. Take a look at those vegans instead of comparing the worst vegans that you can find.

  3. TC
    January 7, 2012

    UMMMMMMM…… If Humans are Carnivores then why cant we manufacture our own Vitamin C, why do we have GOBBS of Carbohydrate digestive enzymes in our saliva? Why do we have Molars for chewing, carnivores don’t chew, they tear and swallow… I’m willing to bet that if 99% of the pro meat eaters on this site had to hunt, kill, gut, etc every animal they ate THEY WOULD NOT DO IT! Go run trough the jungle, jump on a wild boar (which you couldn’t catch on foot btw) and sink your teeth into the back of its neck…LOL all of you are ignorant nuts trying to act like were badass predators.. if we were we would be designed to run 30+ mph, have sharp claws and an abundance of sharp teeth with a long jawbone structure and way more concentrated stomach acid so we can kill all the nasty shit in raw meats ( pork in particular)!!! you all buy your meat at the stores in packages bypassing all the killing and blood, and don’t even really THINK about what you are eating…. FLESH. I COMPLETELY understand eating them as a means for survival purposes, but most people aren’t in that situation.. And Mark Sisson advocates a HIGH FAT PRIMAL DIET…LOLOLOL High Fat Doesn’t EXIST IN NON ARCTIC AREAS!!! All the deer, elk, moose, turkey’s etc that people would in eat all have single digit body fat % levels…. SOOOOO low fat, no carbohydrates, Where is this energy coming from to kill these animals…Oh I know STARCHES!! Mark Sisson says that ALL groups of people have included meat in their diet but what he fails to mention is that meat came behind STARCHES.. The Native Americans had corn, not just meat.. don’t be dumb………MAN THAT FELT GOOD!!!!

  4. VeganIsTheWayToBe
    February 3, 2012

    That˙s pretty pathetic. We’re in a NEW age and there are ways to get protien WITHOUT KILLING ANIMALS. We CLEARLY are not supposed to eat meat- THE HUMAN BODY IS 100 PERCENT HERBIVOROUS. I think this is a LAME article- so you’re healthy eating dead animals. What about the 54% of all Americans who are obese? EATING DEAD ANIMALS HAS KILLED MORE PEOPLE IN THE LAST CENTURY THAN ALL OF THE CAR ACCIDENTS, ALL OF THE WARS, AND ALL OF THE NATURAL DISASTERS COMBINED.
    Stop trying to find excuses to kill animals so we can cook and eats parts of their bodies.

  5. Maya
    February 4, 2012

    You completely rejected peaches in your fruits and vegetables. One peach contains 46% of daily protein intake.

  6. Andrea
    February 5, 2012

    Lets get the facts straight about EPA/DHA.

    Vegans efficiently convert ALA to EPA/DHA and here is the proof:
    http://www.ajcn.org/content/92/5/1040.abstract

    Vegans actually had more EPA/DHA in plasma(blood) than fish-eaters, meat-eaters and vegetarians.

    If we can’t digest cellulose, why does mark sisson advocate vegetables? The only reason is because they have zero carbs and anything with carbohydrates like fruits would kick the body out of ketosis(survival mechanism of non-meat eating mammals).

    Mark thinks he has it all figured out.. copy&paste of heart attack atkins diet.

  7. VeganIsTheWayToBe
    February 5, 2012

    THAT’S YOUR EXCUSE.

  8. michelle
    April 10, 2012

    my husband and I have lead a well and wonderfull life (we are both vegetarians). after having a recent medical… we are both in good health, perfect blood pressure, and a perfect B.M.I….better than most meat eaters huh? (we havent eaten annimals for 20 years)

  9. laura
    June 12, 2012

    Simple fact check (with my lentils box and other stuff) :
    In half a cup of lentils, so 100g; there are 25g of protein, so half you daily intake. Not 9 grams
    In 6oz of tofu, so 170grams, there is 22gs of proteins.
    With the rest of the meals, even vegan (pasta, vegies, soymilk) thats enough for the day. And before a workout, a protein shake, don’t you all do that anyways ?
    Stick to the facts, they should speak out for themselves, and if they don’t…accept it and shut up.

  10. jake
    June 15, 2012

    I just watched the documentary, “Forks Over Knives,” with my vegan brother. I am a large supporter of meat and animal products, so naturally we disagreed on everything. I feel that this article proved most of the things in the documentary wrong. You also mentioned most of the doctors/studies that they mentioned in the movie.

  11. YouGetACForEffort
    June 23, 2012

    Unconvincing job. Sure it’s more difficult to get protein in your diet: difficult in the sense that you should expend more effort in meal-planning. No idiot chugs jars of almond butter a day.

  12. Figgzie
    July 4, 2012

    Vegans and vegetarians take pride in telling people that they are vegans and vegetarians. They think its cool to be in the minority of the population, rebels in a sense. These same vegans who say they don’t eat meat because it’s wrong will still wear leather shoes and jackets. Most of the vegans I have met are d-bags, seriously. My brother in law is a vegan and he is always making tired comments about how unhealthy meat is. He weighs 115 pounds and has no muscle definition at all (skinny fat mentioned in the blog is perfect in this case!). I was eating a steak and he said my steak probably had a name when it was alive. I said “Yeah, it’s name is dinner”. If they weren’t so fanatical about their beliefs and if they weren’t always trying to convert meat eaters they might be tolerable. Throw away the vegans that are body builders and the remaining vegans look unhealthy and frail. The 2 vegans I know are always sick. You wanna obstain from eating meat? No problem. Do it without trying to suck up the attention you are dying for by being a vegan.

  13. ricky
    July 4, 2012

    This article sucks, he doesn’t give one single scientific reason why humans need meat. All he said was the same weak argument all the paleo guys use “our ancectors did it therefore we should too”

  14. Meateater
    August 24, 2012

    Meat is not complaining, why are you all complaining?

  15. Drea @twomotivate.com
    September 12, 2012

    Cow fed! I am a highly competitive athlete (marathon runner) and must maintain a lean powerful frame of 107 lbs at 5’4″. Every time I have tried to NOT eat meat- I have critical drops in my ferritin levels. I consume legumes, almonds, tofu, dairy, fruits and veggies etc- BUT if I do not eat RED MEAT (I even swallow liquid iron daily!), my ferritin levels do not stay up and I run like crap. Sorry cow haters- but this girl needs the grizzle.

  16. Timhole
    September 29, 2012

    Figgzie: Vegans are douchebags is a weak argument. I like the one about how they wear animal products though. I always found that bizarre, but I put it down to them using the label of vegan incorrectly, because wearing animal products isn’t consistent with veganism. Also, lack of muscle definition could be genetic. Ask any non-vegan bodybuilder.

    D.bags aside, perhaps the bodybuilders you spoke of could help you understand that veganism is simply a lifestyle choice, and that your skinny bro-in-law is simply projecting his unhappiness with the world onto everyone he meets, inadvertently ensuring that they will come to loathe anyone who adopts the vegan life style.

    Good day sir!

  17. Soothe-Sayer
    October 3, 2012

    I feel the article states an opinion over fact and wished that he had used some scientific backing. I am however going to back Dana on this one (100% correct and I’ve been researching this while being unbiased. I don’t care if I’m vegan, a vegetarian, an omnivore, or a carnivore as long as I am as healthy as possible because I believe the number one reason to exist in this universe is to make yourself into the best possible being possible; mentally and physically.)

    Plants are great for our diet, but so is meat. At this stage in the game though, you can basically limit your diet in almost anyway desired and still remain healthy through supplemental nutrition.

  18. Pro-life, all life
    November 17, 2012

    This was a very poorly put together blog entry on a very important topic. I hope anyone reading this trash has the common sense to do a moment of study before deciding vegan-ism is just a ‘life choice’.

    It’s funny … because being vegan is the choice OF life. Deciding that because we don’t *need* to harm and maim and kill, because we are perfectly able to live full and happy lives without eating eachother, we just *shouldn’t*.

    Hell, if protein is the only problem there is 57g of it in every 100 of seaweed. Just as much in most nuts and nut flours. 88g in every 100 of many soy proteins. All of which have a 80-99/100 amino acid score (a score of protein quality dependent on having all the essential amino acids in the proper proportions.)

    This far surpasses your revolting addiction of consuming the corpses of innocent beings. I know how you feel, though, because I am hooked on the stuff. I smell melted cheese or a neighbour barbecuing and a part of me says “You will never taste that wonderful flavour again.”

    But despite the cravings for a despicable act I was raised to commit daily, I know I could never do it again. I’d like to say it’s because I’m not a conceited disgrace of a thinking, reasoning entity, but that kind of truth is too rude…

    Suffice it to say, I wouldn’t scalp another person simply because my ancestors did. Nor would I let my doctor operate on me with barber scissors, as was the norm once upon a time. And I definitely wont refuse a healthy and filling meal to dine instead on the ligaments, sinew, muscle tissue and cells of a living, breathing earthling.

  19. wolf
    January 24, 2013

    I’d like to see mention of bugs as a protein source. I’m dead serious, not being a smartarse or something. They’re usually pretty abundant and a pest, they’re a great source of protein, they don’t consume nearly as much as a cow or pig or even a chicken, they’re low in fat, and it’s not like other places in the world don’t eat them so it can obviously be done. I’d be interested in trying bugs as a meat source, but somehow I don’t see those coming to a farmer’s market or store near me any time soon, ha-ha. Imagine if our country could get past the “eww” factor and give it a real chance…I wonder if it could change things for the better?

    As someone with a lot of allergies (not even food allergies, either!), I was told when I finally went in for an allergy test that I should avoid fruit at all costs, and only eat cooked vegetables…I always wondered why my favorite fruits would make my stomach ache for hours after just a few bites (why yes, I am a slow learner apparently!), or why my throat would burn after certain meals with no way to make that feeling go away until it ran its course, or why certain areas of my skin would break out in rashes (ok, I still don’t understand how the heck that even works). And here I was hoping I could live on a “raw” diet with minimal meat, especially very little red meat! Overall giving up meat isn’t an option for me (of the many times I’ve tried, every time it led to some HORRIBLE digestive problems that were bad enough to make me call it quits before reaching my minimum time goals for giving vegetarianism an honest chance). And best part? Allergies in the US affect 1 in 5 people, and the trend is growing (and is growing in all developed countries, actually). I don’t have food allergies, save for a minor wheat allergy (the doctor said not to worry about it though), so even if you don’t have a food allergy you can be affected! As someone who deals with it, I can honestly say IT SUCKS and I wish it weren’t even an issue. I couldn’t even begin to explain how hard it is to cook for my LARP group, so many food allergies and such in the people I know.

    So to everyone touting on about how vegetarianism/veganism is really the way it should be and this article is full of BS, remember that it’s really true, NOT ALL OF US CAN DO IT. If you can, that’s AWESOME, and if you choose to live that lifestyle I say power to you and you rock! But to degrade those of us who literally can’t, or even the ones who choose not to, watch you’re mouth, please. What’s healthy to you may not be for the next person, that’s the wonderful world we live in (we aren’t all clones, yay!). No one should insult anyone for their diet, unless they’re doing something ridiculous and/or harmful to others like feeding on the flesh of their neighbors’ babies or something. In the end, as far as ethics go, there’s plenty wrong with agriculture as a whole (animals AND plants), and no matter what you do you are choosing your life over another living being’s life. To live is to consume, and to consume is to kill. So be nice to one another, and stop pointing fingers and saying, “No, MY way is superior!” (and yes, I realize this article isn’t being kind to vegetarians/vegans with that title alone, never-the-less the content…because OBVIOUSLY there are plenty of people who CAN and DO live without meat just fine…I mean, there’s more to how healthy you’ll be than what you eat! ha-ha There’s more reason than our ancestors eating meat to them being healthy! And gosh that’s BEFORE they had additives and chemicals and antibiotics and the like in their food).

  20. John
    February 18, 2013

    Human beings are not herbivores. You people have been conditioned to care about your looks and not your health, especially women. Sorry ladies you were not designed to look good. You were designed to store fat for milk production during times of famine.

    This culture has you brainwashed in believing the opposite. I guess we should also prevent all of the meat eating animals like lions and wolves to stop eating meat since it’s not ethical to do so. My Grandmother lived to be 98 years old. She along with the rest of my relatives had a farm and their diet consisted of a lot of meat.

    Life expectancy today is actually shorter due to all of the chemicals that are ingested from processed foods. Nothing is natural anymore. Eating meat is just part of the cycle of life. We’ve been doing for thousands of years and we have thrived as a species. Without this cycle there would be no ecosystem. We are everything and everything is us. Deal with it, it’s who we are.

  21. VIC CAVIN
    March 14, 2013

    Dimwits about with their meat eating ways. We need protein. Whether it comes from plant (there are many sources not just beans btw) or animal (funny how choosy people are on which animals are food and which are pets/entertainment/sport/cuddly – double standards or some kind of schizophrenic aspect of modern humanity) . The fact is land water and crops go to feed livestock that could be far more useful and efficient if used to feed populations. yes that’s right country’s where there are starving people are growing food for export to feed animals for other people to eat. Now how screwed up is that? The CO2 and methane produced from livestock farming is a greater than all the transport by a factor of 2 at least and yet fuel is taxed hugely but meat not? Double standards or lobbyist influence. Drinking cows milk does much less good for you than it is suggested. Bacteria, Calcium depletion and fat are just a few of the nasties that come from that fantasy.
    The meat industry is responsible for the destruction of rainforests because there’s money involved in selling meat as exports to cretins like this guy.
    And there is also the moral issue but when you have people who use fantasy characters and superstition as their guiding principle then perhaps morality is a fluid thing,
    So in the end you need the proteins, you can get them from plants at a much less cost environmentally socially and economically or you can leave the world in a worse place and opt for the easy option and ignore the fact that as humans we have developed a conscience that allows us to shape our world as we need it and we can accept the consequences or not of our actions.
    Oh and the fact that you can produce between 20 to 100 times more nutrition from land used for graxing

  22. Lulu
    April 11, 2013

    The whole vegetarian/vegan thing is like a religion of culture – you believe in whatever that make you feel the best but don’t force it upon others or worse, judge people based on it.

  23. JC CS
    June 9, 2013

    I see several people are in favor of being vegetarian which is a person’s right to choose to be and I don’t really care if someone wants to be vegetarian or not personally. I have a problem with someone telling me or other omnivores that we shouldn’t eat meat cause ultimately they believed some study that made them change their mind and think we should as well.
    So say everyone stopped eating meat. What would happen to all the cows, pigs, chickens, and any other animals humans keep caged and fenced up? Do we let them stay there and die? Sounds a little inhumane. Do we release them? Can’t wait to see that backfire on us, wrecks and such.

    That’s the question I think everyone needs to consider. If all the vegans and vegetarians succeeded and the world stopped eating meat altogether what would we do with all of the animals? Also, when you discover your answer I would like everyone to consider the potential future that action would create for everyone.
    And since I do feel so strongly about this why don’t we let the animals in the zoo go as well? It’s not their natural habitat so we should respect their rights and release them. When you consider fighting for animal rights consider every animal on earth whether near or far and also place yourself in this position. If you were faced against a bull that was angry and you were in an enclosed area with no escape, would you rather respect that bull’s right to live and let him take your life or would you like to have a gun to save yourself?

    The point is that if we let animals out they will overrun us and there will be fatalities. Some of you may still not care but when it’s you and your loved ones in that incident you will care then.

  24. tony kopy
    June 14, 2013

    It is an unfortunate fact that we have evolved over 6 million years as omnivores, which makes meat an essential part of our diet. You woúldn´t feed nut cutlets to a lion or beef steak to a cow, they would die. We are what we are and millions of years in the making, live with it.

  25. Pablo nox
    September 13, 2014

    Another completely rubbish argument… Just check out markus rothkranz. At least he puts up a good vegan argument.

    Also google “vegan bodybuilders” and tell me they don’t get their protein!

  26. Amy
    January 18, 2015

    I know this is an old article, but I am bothered that in his list of foods he completely excludes things like quinoa, lentils, brown rice, amaranth seeds, and cracked wheat, which make up large parts of vegan diets. These provide more than enough protein and calcium for a day. Otherwise interesting article!

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